Suspect Nominations Thread

[Destiny Warrior]

This thread is for nominating Pokemon that you feel need to be voted on.


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As a side note, if less than 3 people qualify for the test, I'm just going to make it an open vote. Inactive ladders ftl

[benlisted]

Despite having little experience (as do we all), I think I'm gonna nominate all 670+ BST pokemon for a ban, barring Slaking and Regigigas (let me know if this is too soon to be nominating).

There's two main reasons for this:
I believe we'd get more support if we played a meta more similar to OU than to Ubers (which struggles for players in singles let alone here), and obviously a more active community will help us define what aspects of a more OU metagame are suspect and advance the creation of this meta. We can also keep on the Ubers doubles if there is enough support for it.

I also think that even in Doubles the power of the 680 BST Ubers is too much - they are broken, even if they balance each other out to some extent. It's debateable if this is problematic or not, since there is some sense of balance, but personally I would much prefer to play a more OU based doubles, whilst keeping Ubers Doubles available to those who would want it.

EDIT: To the below, I understand your point, but I think that if we begin down the road of banning say even 3 mons at a time like you suggest from an initial lack of banlist, we will just end up at the same point - with all (or nearly all) 680 mons banned since they are so much stronger than almost all of the rest. For example, banning Kyogre will let Groudon and Sun teams rise to the fore, and probably become suspect, and banning Arceus will lead to the other "Ubers" rising to fill his place(s).

To this end I think we should support both an OU and Ubers meta - and in the OU one if we have good reason to believe that an Uber is not broken, we could bring it down and test it (Lugia being possibly an example of this) as we would in singles testing. Right now I think what we need is more support, and if we spend weeks going through the 680 BST mons individually then I don't think we will get that.

[Aisu-Memoto]

I think we should, rather than rush-banning a whole load of stuff - I mean, if we were gonna do that we'd have started with a banlist - we should remove the really broken stuff and then see what's happening after that.

That said, I'm gonna nominate Arceus, Kyogre and Darkrai to begin with.

[Human]

First of all I think we want to determine this.

For the doubles metagame do we want a balanced metagame and if it balanced should we change it; or do we want a metagame that we can change as we want?

Because with the pokemon 670+ we will have a balanced metagame, and banning won't be done with satisfactory reasoning. If we decide to ban them then we end up with another balanced metagame which will remain relatively stagnant, as nothing is flat out broken in doubles because nearly everything is KOd if you double attack it so no matter what you get a relatively balanced and playable metagame. The only things I think should even be nominated are these three, Arceus Darkrai and Smeargle, or instead of Darkrai and Smeargle just Dark Void

[Destiny Warrior]

Closing. Expect voting thread to go up soon.